The Premier League First Eleven

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  1. Neil says:

    No place for the mighty Ipswich Town?

    Only club to provide TWO England managers, Terry Butcher, generally better than Norwich…

  2. Jay says:

    Yes, yes, no club has a divine right to the top flight, but I can’t help but notice Norwich are there but Ipswich aren’t? The club of Sir Bobby Robson and Sir Alf Ramsey? Runners-up in 1981 & 1982 (Norwich have never finished above 3rd), and Champions at their very first attempt in 1962 (only Preston can match that, and only because they won the very first title).

    1988 was as Norwich hit their best spell; 5th, 4th and 3rd in the league in ’87, ’89 and ’93 respectively, while we’d just fallen from the top tier having spent 1973-82 entirely in the Top 6 with the exception of 1978. When we won the FA Cup. Which Norwich have never done. We were a staple of the top flight from the mid-60’s through to the mid-80’s, and have again appeared at the top table in the early/mid-90’s and again in the early 00’s. It was only last season that we matched the number of seasons we’d spent in the top flight, in the 2nd tier.

    We’re still unbeaten at home in European competition (in 31 matches) including winning the 1981 UEFA Cup, wins over both Milan (AC in ’63, Inter in ’02) clubs, Barcelona (’78 & ’79), Real Madrid (’74)…

  3. Jay says:

    …and to reiterate; I could easily cope without us being in that list (we can’t continually lose play-off Semi-Finals if we’re in the top flight, though we’ve not even had much of that lately)…

    It’s that Norwich are in the list that bugs me.

  4. B says:

    Sheffield Wednesday are NOT one of the original twelve.
    And by “Wimbledon” do’nt you mean Milton Keynes Dons?

  5. Bjorn says:

    Excellent stuff. Any list is obviously subjective and can be argued back and forth with good arguments all round.
    But.
    Millwall?
    Seriously??

  6. ronvelig says:

    I have similar feelings about the 1995/96 season. If you were in the top flight then, I still think you should be now.

  7. Gavin says:

    Bristol City happened to be a top division side when I first watched football, so I still think of them as being a big club going through a rough patch. Nonetheless they wouldn’t get into my top eleven.

    A couple of years back on a chatsitre somewhere I nominated the top eleven as being (in no order) – Liverpool, Everton, City, United, Leeds, Newcastle, Sunderland, Villa, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham. Someone then produced a table of historic average attendances which inevitably I now can’t find, but which showed that, by that measure, they are indeed the top eleven clubs. So I propose that that’s as good a way of judging it as any.

    The remaining spots in the league (seven of them, since I’m reducing the league size) can be played off for. Norwich and Ipswich can settle their differences with a one-off game, so can the two Sheffield clubs, the remaining Birmingham clubs etc etc.

  8. Simon says:

    At the risk of sounding pedantic, both Arsenal and Everton have been dumped out of the top flight, Arsenal regaining First Division status (somewhat controversially) in 1919 and Everton in 1954. The only team I can think of who’ve never been relegated from the top flight are Wigan although it doesn’t seem to be for the lack of trying.

  9. James says:

    Both Arsenal and Everton have been relegated from the top fight.
    Arsenal in 1912 and Everton in 1930.

  10. James says:

    Damn, you beat me to it!

  11. Micky F says:

    Glad to see Luton Town are in the mix and Watford aren’t! My only gripe would be Millwall, as they were only in the 1st Div for two seasons.

  12. matt says:

    comical whingeing from the ipswich fans here. you’re not on the list, get over it

  13. Gavin – your view of them being a big club going through a rough patch is shared by many in south Bristol

    Ho ho ho

  14. Gervillian Swike says:

    Luton? Wimbledon? Millwall? Come on now!

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