In Defence Of “Stand”


Ian began writing Twohundredpercent in May 2006. He lives in Brighton. He has also written for, amongst others, Pitch Invasion, FC Business Magazine, The Score, When Saturday Comes, Stand Against Modern Football and The Football Supporter. Ian was the first winner of the Socrates Award For Not Being Dead Yet at the 2010 NOPA awards for football bloggers.

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5 Responses

  1. Great article and a very worthy counter-balance to the unfair and often overly cynical criticism Stand get. Shared over on
    Keep up the great work Stand and 200%.

  2. The link is appreciated – Ben Woolhead’s post on STAND does raise a good many questions but is also praising of many aspects. As with the recent stats v non-stats debate, the supposedly opposing forces are actually pretty much in agreement with each other on the main points (prices, safe standing etc) and it would be wrong to portray the two sides as implacably opposed to one another (which you happily don’t do). Also, as far as the site I run is concerned, ‘opinions of the contributors are their own blah blah’ It is not an editorial line on the part of The Two Unfortunates to be opposed to STAND and indeed, we would agree with them on nearly everything they stand for.

  3. Chris Walker says:

    I too am someone who can get behind many of the ideas discussed by Stand, but if only they could get their house in order when it comes to dealing with people trying to debate the merits of #amf.

    Like it or not, Those Three Words (as you put it) are still synonymous with their cause, and if they cannot engage with people in a polite manner, as opposed to the abrasive spikiness of their twitter account, they won’t do themselves any favours. These online ‘bully boy’ tactics are surely at odds with the cause they purport to represent.

  4. Kevin Rye says:

    From a professional/work perspective, Stand have been a vital ingredient in the mix, which I think this article puts well. Its role isn’t to be ‘the’ anything, but instead a coalition of people who want something far better than what we have at the moment and are prepared, well, to stand for it. In any movement – the supporters movement, if you will, in this case – we need people who are prepared to think differently, and who engage with different groups that we often can’t reach so easily with our rather more formalised activities. Stand do this, and that’s vital if we are to continue to grow in our influence as supporters.

  5. Spot on in my opinion. Stand is articulating genuine feeling, and doing so in an increasingly practical and constructive manner. It helps to keep more established currents honest and connected without being solely oppositionist, and I see the relationship as a little like UK Uncut’s with the traditional labour movement.
    What’s encouraging is the acknowledgement of the issues with the ‘Against’ part of the equation, and the decision to emphasise the Stand, more positive, angle. That’s a school of thought learning as it goes along and taking other ideas on board. And that’s far more productive than picking apart a generally positive current and pretending that everything has to be perfectly formed from its inception.
    I spent too long in the labour movement in the 1980s embroiled in discussions about why this or that current didn’t have precisely the right line at precisely the right time, and being too concerned about who was “leading”. Ideas are organisations are being thrown up in a far more organic manner now, and what’s key is working in as broad a way as possible to nurture good ideas.
    Nice work with this piece.

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