Panorama In Poland & Ukraine – A Polish Perspective

Ian

Ian began writing Twohundredpercent in May 2006. He lives in Brighton. He has also written for, amongst others, Pitch Invasion, FC Business Magazine, The Score, When Saturday Comes, Stand Against Modern Football and The Football Supporter. Ian was the first winner of the Socrates Award For Not Being Dead Yet at the 2010 NOPA awards for football bloggers.

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18 Responses

  1. BL says:

    You might also point out that the one fan I know about who was unlawfully killed during the qualification campaign was a Welsh fan, outside Wembley, by an English fan. The court suggested he and his friend had suffered racist abuse in the moments that preceded the awful attack.

  2. Very good article, and counters the lies made by the BBC.Also you should add…Celtic V Rangers matches, or even Millwall V Leeds Utd,there are so many to choose from… where rival fans chant at each other. I have a house in the Ukraine 36km from Donetsk,have sat near to the Ultras at the Donetsk arena…1 match to watch Arsenal play there…these fans no different to any fans in the UK,or else where,they support their team,show their strength of support to opposing fans…Like Leeds fans will do to Man Utd fans. I see no crime, violence in the Ukraine…but its everywhere in the UK. Fans going to EURO 2012, will be welcomed by the Ukraine fans, they love British football…but if you intend to look for trouble, all I can say you will get it…it is a long way to the borders…and 45,000,000 Ukraine’s to get past.

  3. Jah_Wibble says:

    BL. please select a better example of the universality of racism. The six people arrested in connection with the tragic death of the Wales fan were all in fact Welsh themselves. No English people were involved.

  4. Jane says:

    Hi, I am so glad that people are posting articles about The Polish perspective of this story.

    I am disapointed to see that BBC Panorama have yet shown this programme again this evening on tv (it being Sunday 3rd June) Posting it once is one thing but again, really is going one step too far. It was obviously followed by the glorious bbc news showcasing the fantastic day that Britain has had with the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee.

    Surely people can see that showing the programme twice especially after the last show has now calmed down in the media – just – then they play it again – is going a bit far and that BBC are playing a game obviously – perhaps to stop people spending there money in the Euro?

    They really should be careful, I feel playing this kind of game with another country when there Olympics is showing in July.

  5. Borys says:

    Ian, are you sure they were not chanting “Kto nie skacze ten z Żydzewa”?

    In the same universe, clandestine footage from a secret Widzew fan training camp:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlct0AcEHW0
    :)

  6. Harmonicaman says:

    The anti-semitism that actually speaks loudest, that from islam, with its call foer extermination and genocide is roundly ignored by the BBC. And when its proponents are feted by Labour members and wannabe mayors, excused.

  7. jaz says:

    “I wonder if Panorama will make a programme showing events that happened in London last summer: ”

    They did

  8. TheVodkaYeti says:

    Good article Ian!

    I’ve been living in Poland for ten years now and wrote my opinion of the Panorama programme here
    http://www.footballtransfertavern.com/2012/06/premiership/a-tottenham-fan-in-polands-take-on-euro-2012s-racism-row

  9. dan says:

    Mind you, it was Polish fans who came to Belfast a couple of years back and proceeded to attack the locals….

  10. Steve Thomas says:

    That Welsh fan was murdered by an Englishman. It has been proven, the fella admitted it.

    That’s why you can’t find it in the papers. When it wasn’t Cardiff and Swansea fans killing each other it ceased to be interesting to the English press…

  11. AJ says:

    Great article, I am aware that racism and violence can be found at all levels of football in the uk from parks football to premier league.

    Jah-wibble
    I think you’ll find initially 6 people from Wales were arrested, but the man charged with the Manslaughter (he pleaded guilty) was infact an English fan from Worcester

  12. maliniok says:

    Borys and Vodkayeti – please note that Ian is not the author of this article but I am. :) He just kindly posted my reply to the BBC programme on his excellent website for which I want to thank him a lot.

  13. Ash says:

    Day 1 – Dutch players subjected to monkey chants during training in Krakow.

    Actions speak louder than words.

  14. SW19 Womble says:

    Patryk – I suppose the Poles in Krakow who were making monkey noises at the Dutch team in practice yesterday were “just voicing their disapproval” at not having any group stage matches played there, as UEFA claim?
    “UEFA, the governing body of FIFA in Europe, later denied that chants were racially motivated, and reported the Dutch squad said it was not racist in nature: UEFA said the crowd was protesting that Krakow was not one of the host cities for the Europe’s largest international tournament, which begins Friday.

    “You need to open your ears,” Van Bommel told The Guardian about UEFA’s response. “If you did hear it, and don’t want to hear it, that is even worse.”

    The jury is out. We’ll see how it goes in Poland (slightly more racist than the UK, but far less racist than the Ukraine, IMVHO)

  15. Aleksandra Pecyna says:

    Great article, I couldn’t agree with you more!

    I am absolutely outraged at the way in which Poland was portrayed in this documentary. As a Pole living permanently in the UK, I think we already have to deal with too many negative stereotypes about Poland, and we don’t need the BBC to create any more. In addition, I was shocked at the BBC’s reaction to the widespread criticism the programme has received – the reporters don’t seem to think they have done anything wrong.

    I encourage you to have a look at an online petition I have created against that programme:
    http://www.change.org/petitions/bbc-apologise-for-the-bias-presented-in-euro-2012-stadiums-of-hate-2

    Best Wishes!

  16. Rafal says:

    website is not available from uk checked on few computers at the same time friends from Hungary and Germany have no problem to view it BBC job ??

  17. ChrisJ says:

    Superb article. There is also a lot more stuff that Panorama fabricated or manipulater to support their one-sided and ignorant agenda. See: http://swiat.newsweek.pl/bbc–borat–bledy–cenzura,92891,1,1.html

    Any feedback regarding the PETITION (or other complaints) to the BBC.

    BTW, the Dutch were accused – by their own press – of making up the alleged monkey chants at the training session to deflect attention from their p.poor performance.

    Hindsight is indeed a great thing. Irish fans were OUTSTANDING.

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